screwrocknroll:

I guess hip-hop has this best figured out. T.I. can work with Mannie Fresh and Toomp and Just Blaze on different songs, and we can recognize that each is bringing something to the collaboration, and different contributors will affect songs differently, but also, each is playing his own part. And, sure, sometimes you might say that a song’s only good because of the producer, but no one would be silly enough to stick together a procession of Neptunes tracks and point out how similar they are.

But hip-hop has this figured out because people who talk about the music have made it an explicit point of reference when they talk about it. (And also, because the conversation about hip-hop tends to be pretty insular; if every single Neptunes track went top ten there would definitely be a clueless rant about their similarity.)

But this also provides a clue to how to talk about modern pop, which, taking the long view, basically is hip-hop only with singing instead of (or sometimes in addition to) rapping. The days when an MC was just an MC and a DJ was just a DJ are long gone, of course; but the principle of the equal(ish) division of labor implicit in

still holds good and needs to be acknowledged more.

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  1. corny-bradley reblogged this from cureforbedbugs
  2. jonathanbogart reblogged this from screwrocknroll and added:
    an explicit point...reference when they talk...conversation...
  3. andyhutchins reblogged this from screwrocknroll and added:
    only this: Interpret art however you wish—apply...backstory, appreciate
  4. epistrophy reblogged this from tomewing and added:
    this idea a lot but it does seem most apt...certain contexts like
  5. screwrocknroll reblogged this from cureforbedbugs and added:
    we really don’t need...pop, and that, if it...question, it’s...
  6. andrewtsks reblogged this from jonathanbogart and added:
    I totally see your point, and the whole rockist slant hadn’t occurred to me, especially its sexist implications. I don’t...
  7. agrammar said: I was just writing something about Perry and defaulted to that superhero metaphor — the pop star as a narrative/character the singer’s responsible for acting out. (It’s just as true for folks in rock bands who aren’t driving the band’s ideas/style!)
  8. cureforbedbugs reblogged this from tomewing and added:
    Also important to realize that co-writing became a pretty complicated issue in pop and teenpop in the 00’s. Katy Perry...
  9. tomewing reblogged this from jonathanbogart and added:
    Yeah. This -the question of agency in pop - is always a thorny one (partly because there’s so much we just don’t know...
  10. dayan reblogged this from maura and added:
    Apropos of, uh, something or other: Amanda Latona...“International Federation of...
  11. thisisareallybadidea reblogged this from maura and added:
    I’d add “Dynamite” (Dr. Luke’s crowning achievement)...songs that sound
  12. brandon4serious reblogged this from maura and added:
    As always, Maura...totally on-point....point out how late...
  13. richaod reblogged this from maura and added:
    In my experience, no non-music nerd/critic has EVER looked up...pop songwriting credit....
  14. trenuttinnickle reblogged this from maura
  15. musedamused reblogged this from maura and added:
    last paragraph: WHICH GUY FROM THE POSIES? I feel...my once-favorite band got
  16. daveholmes said: I got “Hey Now Now” stuck in my head a couple of weeks ago. I didn’t know why, but now I do: I am tumblrpsychic.
  17. maura reblogged this from bwall05 and added:
    that sets out to “prove” that Ke$ha’s “Tik Tok” and Katy Perry’s “California Gurls” and Miley Cyrus’ “Permanent...